I know that Cora had a BIG influence in this, but it was Rumple who made Cora who she is and who Gina is. Rumple needed an "Evil, Dark Person" to cast the curse for him (even though he *could've probably done it himself!*)

He taught both Cora & Gina "Dark" magic and corrupted them by POWER! ~ (#Morgana Pendragon#)

PS: I still like his character though! XD (Even though I feel bad for Gina....he ruined her life!)

It was all part of his plan to get Bae back. That lady with no eyes told him that he'd be using someone to bring Bae back. Yes Cora ripped Dan's heart out but Rumple was the one who pushed her to the dark side in building her hopes up only to shoot them down on purpose. Not to mention Rumple was the one who taught Cora how to rip her own heart out!

@BuenaVanessa It's not Snows fault Daniel died, it's Coras fault because... SHE KILLED HIM.

It is absurd for Gina to blame Snow and I believe, when she was in her right mind, she knew that. She wasn't even considering revenge at first. All she wanted to do was be free of her mother. Once she had done that she was willing to walk away but Rumple already had his hooks in her. Still, even when she started learning from him she wouldn't do the dark stuff so he had to push her over the edge. He's like a drug dealer.

As for Genie she used him. If anything she turned him evil.

Cora woke up the darkness in Regina, but Rumple is the one who turned her heart into darkness. Sadly, Regina wasnt strong enough to fight it, because she had no one by her side.

Totally agree with you Magichand!

^^ Pretty much what I was thinking.

basically this entire evil thing started cause milah left rumple :/

i really do think regina is the best character on the show, she has a deep background and i think she is beautiful on the inside <3

Snow too. People may not blame her but Regina became evil because SHE was blaming Snow. I don't think Cora had a big part in it, as Regina didn't turn evil right after Cora killed Daniel. Rumple told her to push her mother through the looking glass and that woke up a bit of darkness in her, then he started training her.

@evilregal14 "Regina became evil because SHE was blaming Snow." Don't you think that's more Reginas fault for fixating so obsessively on Snow rather then opening her eyes and seeing who was really to blame?

@Minervadawn- Agreed, she seemed oblivious if her Mother's outrageous actions and blamed Snow because se was the "easiest target" and the "easiest" person to blame. (A young girl?!)

Regina could've escaped all this if Daniel didn't die... and Cora killed him (yup i know Snow told her about the two of them but really, how the hell should a kid know which persuasive woman is actually a murderer?)

Regina became EVIL when she heard that Dan couldn't be brought back, so it's kinda Frankenstein's fault lol, but Rumpel told him to do that, so it's his fault

If this despicable creature just stayed out of her daughter's life, didn't kill her true love, and let her be happy none of this would've happened.

Which wouldn't have happened if Rumple didn't teach Cora magic in the first place. He knew from the start that someone would cast the curse for him. He manipulated everything from Cora to Emma to Regina all to get Bae back. The curse, Gina turning evil, the curse breaking, it was all a part of his plan.

^ Exactly

Actually it wouldn't have happened if Cora didn't stupidly say she could spin straw into gold. If she had never said that she never would've needed to learn magic so it's still her fault. She got herself into the situation and caused everything.

But that wouldn't have happened if Eva didn't treat her like dirt. So would that mean this is Eva's fault. Because Cora did not ask to be a miller's daughter and she did not ask Eva to trip her and spill her flour.

Eva didn't force her to lie, that was ALL Cora.

Yes, but she would not have thought of lying if Eva didn't treat her poorly. Cora's actions are centered around how the upper class (Eva in particular) treated her. Those were her motives. She didn't want Regina to go through that. I'm not saying Cora was right and had no hand in any of this, because she did. But it's also not her fault alone.

Eva tripped her once, if Cora is going to become evil all because of that then it looks like A LOT of people in the world should turn evil. If we're really going to get into it, it looks like Henry's father is the one responsible. He's the one who treated Cora terrible, caused her to lie to defend herself, and is responsible for Cora ripping her heart out causing her not to feel any love for anything or anyone except for power.

Perhaps that wasn't the first time Cora was mistreated like so, perhaps that was simply the final straw. That's true too. Henry's father did treat Cora like crap, so it could be him to. I personally like to read so deeply into it that it's the Ogres' faults. If the Ogres never attacked than Rumple wouldn't have had to run away. And if he didn't have to run he wouldn't have become the dark one, wouldn't have lost Bae and wouldn't have needed to take advantage of someone who was beat down by the upper class. So by all means, the Ogres caused all of this.

I'm not so sure you'd wanna wish that because your precious Regina wouldn't exist. If Rumple didn't exist then Cora would've died when she was unable to turn straw into gold and Regina never would've existed. But yeah OGRES CAUSED IT ALL! Sorry Shrek!

^ lol... It's decided. The curse and everything that lead up to it is officially the ogres fault. Unless of course the ogres have a suitably sympathetic exclamation for why they started the wars. What if they were once peace loving vegetarians but were enslaved and mistreated until they became blood thirsty barbarians they are now. Perhaps they didn't start the war at all but are actually just the kingdoms friendly but ugly neighbors whose reputation is being slandered by the people who seek to take there land. Then the curse would become someone else's fault. I think we all have a serious cause of passing the blame on this show.

Too bad ABC doesn't own the rights to Dreamworks movies because if they did a back story about the ogres they could do it about Shrek.

@Katar That's true. But ya never know. Perhaps Gina would exist, she'd just be a very different person. I maybe misunderstanding what you're saying here (so correct me if I'm wrong) but I never said I wanted Rumple dead. Lol yeah, sorry Shrek, you're a good ogre.

@Min Yup I do believe we have all come to the conclusion that it was the ogres. That is a good point, but as far as we've seen they were just out to kill people. But if they were friendly vegetarians than the curse is at the fault of the people who pissed the ogres off. It's just a long and crappy chain of events.

I know you don't and I think you mean Cora, not Rumple.

Yeah I meant Cora, my bad.

Like Zylice said Cora had a big part in it, as her AND Snow woke up the anger in Regina but Rumpel did make Cora evil.

I feel like even after she married Snow's father she had a chance to walk away from all of it. Every single time she had doubt over a decision about pursuing revenge Rumple would give her the push in the direction he needed her to go. He made her believe that's all she had. I will say that Cora gave her the matches while Rumple helped her start the fire.

^ I like that, but I'd say it was more like Cora started the fire and Rumple fed it to made sure it never died.

I agree with a comment further up, "Cora woke up the darkness in Regina, but Rumple is the one who turned her heart into darkness." (I also think Snow did that too since Regina blames her, not the fans, not any other characters but Regina makes her own mind up) and Rumple brought out the evil in her more than anyone else.

That's basically the same as what I said. Cora started the fire, Rumple build it up into a towering infurno. Snow is more like the log that had the misfourtune of feeding the fire but Cora threw her in there.

Well sorry then...What I'm trying to say is that we can't stop Regina for blaming Snow. She blames her and Rumple the most I think, it's easier blaming them two. I sort of blame them too, but each to their own.

core killed daniel which mad regina evil but if u think about it it really is snows

If you think it really is snows then why did you pick Cora? ^

Just because Regina blames them doesn't mean it's actually their fault. Her veiws are clouded by her feeling.

Your misinterpreting what I'm saying...

Because even though Cora killed Daniel, forced her to marry Snow's father, she wasn't Evil. The proof is that till the end she loved her mother. Rumpel made her Evil.

Rumplestilskin, Cora and Regina herself. But I feel that Rumplestilskin is most culpable because he knew the effect his deeds were having on her and did them knowingly.