I want her to find out, but Regina is trying to be a better person now. She's not the same as she was back then.

I don't care if Gina is different now I want her to find out! I need some Graham closure dang it!!

Also I don't beleive Regina can even start to redeem herself until all of her crimes are out in the open, kind of like how when an alcoholic joins AA they have to apologieze to everyone they have hurt, that way the secrets guilt and resentment connected to those acts don't get in the way of their recovery.

Not at all. Quite the opposite, if Emma finds out and tries to kick butt, I'd want Gina to win. And now I'm probably going to get yelled at or questioned by Graham fans like the last time...

In all fairness Graham was Regina's first.

^First? First what? Kill? Cause no, he wasn't. She killed her own father to enact the curse, remember? And through various flashbacks, we've learned that she killed even before that.

@zanhar1 You know I love you and Im not attacking you personally, but Gina has to pay for Graham's death eventually. I'm not saying she has to die but it can't just be swept under the rug and forgotten.

Justifying Grahams murder is one of the most puzzling traits I've seen from the evil regal community. She killed him in cold blood. It doesn't matter if she loved him and couldn't bear the thought of him being with someone else.

@blue-eyes He didn't belong to her. They weren't married or even in a serious relationship. Also the last time I checked breaking up with someone isn't a capital offense.

BY FAR! Emma kick that stupid woman's butt just like you did the last two times!

yes, please!

@arfirewiel she was refering to the love relationship. Gina had Graham's love--so to speak--before Emma, who kind of came in and stole him.

@minerva It's cool. I don't know I think she's been paying for the crap she's done this whole season. Maybe she wasn't punished directly for the crime, but karma kicked her where it hurts more than once; she almost had her soul sucked out! And on top of that she lost her mom the same way she killed Graham. So while the law or an actual human did not do so, I think karma punished her. And then there's the fact that Emma tried to and sort of did kidnap Henry twice and Snow broke out of prison, so law hasn't exactly mattered before for any other character (especially Gold who nearly killed and beat up men) so why should it matter in Gina's case? I know that's not a very good reason, but why is everyone but Gina above the law? Is it because she killed a popular character and Gold didn't? And then there's the fact that she was wrongly accused of Archie's murder, that can be the equivlant of that discovery.

I'm not saying she shouldn't be punished at all, I'm saying she's already been punished by nature. And really, how much more suffering should a person be put through? So if Emma does find out, I hope Gina shows 'that stupid woman' what damage magic can do.

I am tired of this picks about Graham. Sure he was HOT, but this picks annoy me.

(Graham fans, i am not attacking you or yelling, i am just voicing an opinion)

^ She has been punished, but the punishments you described are the result of her many other crimes not Graham's murder spisifically. Yes I want her to punished mainly because I love Graham but I think everyone should pay for their crimes.

Kidnap (expesally when the kidnappee wants to be kidnaped) and jailbreak are crimes, but their basically "white crimes" compared to all the other crap that's going on in Storybrook. I'm not sure why Gold was aloud to get off Scott free on the assault and attempted murder of Mr. French but i do hope that Belle finds out eventually. That would be justice enough. A better example of Gold paying for his crimes is Milah. If he hadn't been so selfish Hook wouldn't be after his blood. That's the kind of justice I want to see in Graham's case.

@magichand We're just asking for some closure. Which unfortunately we haven't gotten yet. My favourite character was murdered and I have yet to see any justice. I know that being a little over involved in this show but don't we all when it comes to are favourite charactures. Once we get some closer we can all finally put these picks about graham to rest.

@minervadawn I tried to address that, but I really don't know how to explain my opinion on this one without confusing everyone or repeating myself a bunch of times.

But they are still crimes that should be punished by law. If you're gonna punish one crime I think you should punish the others, especially since the town is so small. And then there was the fact that Snow just killed Cora, if Gina's gonna get punished for Graham, Snow should be punished for Cora. Why is it that Snow is treated like a victim even though she's the murderer and Gina is on death row? Yes Snow was defending her family, but if we're bring law up she should have called the cops (her daughter) instead of taking the law into her own hands, that's just as bad as any other murder. Okay, I can see that as being a reasonable punishment, as other characters are dealing with it as well and it wouldn't be hypocritical.

I guess you can say I believe that Gina should be punished, only if all the other crimes (especially other murders gone under the radar) are punished as well.

zanhar1 kidnapping is when someone takes another person away against their will. Henry made it clear he wanted to get away from Regina so it wasn't against his will, hence it wasn't kidnapping. It was more of running away, even though Henry didn't expect the way she did it. He wanted to get away from Regina so it wasn't kidnapping. I think Regina hasn't suffered enough. She's murdered so many and one person dying on her isn't enough. She's caused so much pain and suffering. Besides I find it weird that they haven't addressed the Graham's death thing yet.

^agreed!

It's still kidnapping if you don't have the legal guardian's consent. That's why school teachers aren't allowed to drive students home from school with out a parent call or signature. My driver's education teacher isn't even allowed to be in the car alone with a student. (Sorry if that's irrelevant). Running away also isn't technically legal, as there is a curfew for kids under 18, and a parent can get cops to go find the kid, as I said before, I have a friend who has run away. He almost got in huge legal trouble. More than one person has died on her or has been taken away. She was accused of murder and nearly had her soul sucked out. In my opinon having your soul sucked out is worse than death. And on top of that she's been lonely pretty much the entire season and had to watch her true love die a second time. I do agree though, it is weird that it has not come up at all yet.

@zanhar1 I get what your saying but let look at this for a second.

List of big murders on OUAT:
Crime: Rumple kills Milah.
Punishment: Hooks vengeance
Crime: Cora kills Eva.
Punishment: Snows vengeance
Crime: Snow kills Cora.
Punishment: Ginas vengeance
Crime: Cora kills Daniel.
Punishment: Ginas vengeance (although most of it is detected at Snow)
Crime: Snow assist Cora in killing Daniel.
Punishment: Ginas vengeance
Crime: Gina kills Leopold.
Punishment: Snows vengeance (although she takes the better path and chooses to forgive)
Crime: Gina kills Graham
Punishment: Nothing

I don't expect this show to follow the law, it is about fairy tales after all. However according to the patten of crime and punishment on this show so far Grahams murder should be punished by Emma's vengeance. She could like her mother choose to forgive but as long as I get some closure I'll be happy.

I see where you're coming from, but then there's also the fact that I simply don't want to see Gina suffer anymore, much less 'get her butt kicked'. No one actually wants to see their favorite character get screwed over. And then there's the fact that if Emma does something utterly horrible like murder shouldn't she be punished as well? And wouldn't that spark even more vengeance? What I would like to see with this show is some peaceful resolution in which all the characters get their happy ending and Hook and George become the villains (in place of Gold and Gina).

I'm totally with you on the peaceful resolution and I understand that you don't want anything awful to happen to your favorite character. But here's how it see it. First let me repeat what i said earlier:

"I don't beleive Regina can even start to redeem herself until all of her crimes are out in the open, kind of like how when an alcoholic joins AA they have to apologieze to everyone they have hurt, that way the secrets guilt and resentment connected to those acts don't get in the way of their recovery."

Once Emma knows what happened she can choose to either seek vengeance or forgive. I personally hope she will choose to forgive and not start another circle of vengeance. If she chooses vengeance and (heaven forbid) kills Gina then she will have to be punished, hopefully by Henry because that would be a brillent turn.

zanhar1 I think Regina deserves to suffer being alone. During all of season 1 she was rude to Emma and wouldn't allow her to see Henry. She even claimed multiple times that she wasn't his mother. She even threatened to bring the law against her if she tried to see Henry. In my opinion that's something else for which Regina has to pay for.

that would be awesome

@Katara and she's already been punished fir that, how many times has Emma David or Mary told her she wasn't allowed to see Henery and that he's not he'd child? She should be able to bring the law into it, it was a closed adoption and it is he'd legal right. If we're going to say Gina must be punished by law for Graham it's only fair that Gina can bring has up to keep Henry. My personalbopinion, no one deserves to be alone; Azula has done some pretty nasty things like try to kill her own brother bug she deserves love too.

@Minavara I hope Emma chooses right too, someone had to end the cycle.

I definitely don't agree with you there @KataraLover. It was pretty clear that when Emma gave up Henry it was a closed adoption. Therefor Gina was right when she said Emma was not his mother because she wasn't legally. As his only legal gardian she had every right to forbid Henry from seeing Emma (the fact that she was in prison would have been a good enough of a reason for most real world mothers although as the evil queen we know she has alternative reasons) and also to call the cops when Emma took him without her permission. In fact I don't know why she didn't. Under the law she was kidnapping him weather he wanted to go or not.

Lastly Emma wasn't very respectful to respectful to Gina either. She was constantly criticizing her parenting even though she herself had absolutely no experience as a parent. Not once did she show any gradatute to the woman who raised her child for ten years when she wasn't able to. In fact she consistently encouraged Henry to disobey his mother. If this had been a real world situation (no curse, no evil queen) I would have completely understood why Gina would choose not to associate with this woman. Why try to be friendly or considerate of someone who openly hates you?

^ That's what I was trying to say. Especially in the first paragraph.

I agree Azula deserves love and I want her to have redemption but if she did get a chance she deserves to suffer first, although they didn't make Zuko suffer too much.

Also I want to start out by saying Regina was the disrespectful one first. Emma said from the beginning that she didn't plan on being in Henry's life because she thought it was for his own good. Than after she brought him back to Regina for the second time and just mentioned an ironic thing Regina starts yelling and criticizing her. Emma didn't do anything to deserves that. Also I have to say Regina's parenting skills suck. He was unhappy even before he came in contact with the book and learned the truth, they confirmed that in the second episode. Henry ran away from her and found Emma, Emma didn't try to steal him away from Regina. It's only when she realized that he really needed her that she decided to stay and she tried to get custody of him when Regina went too far. Also if we're really going to bring the law into this if the law knew about everything there's not a court in the entire world that wouldn't take Henry away from Regina and let him live with Emma.

I agree that the crimes she comited in FTL would have resulted in her being stripped her parental rights. However that only applys after the curse was lifted. During the curse she did absolutely nothing that would have deemed her an unfit parent under the eyes of the law. She was strict yes but she was not a bad parent. In fact Emma did more things that would suggest she was an unfit parent under the law then Gina did. She encouraged his truancy from school for one, a biggie where the CPA is concerned.

Even now the Charming's never discipline Henry. They let this kid do what ever he wants, dictate wether what they do is wrong or right, talk back and give them some serious attitude to boot. Of course he's happier with them. They are the fun family that lets him do whatever he wants and never scolds him. If we set aside all the other unrelated crimes Gina has comited (and I'm not suggesting we do) Gina is way ahead of the Charming's it the parenting department.

That said Gina still needs do her time, pay for her crimes and truly redeem herself before she gets Henry back. That's just how things work in my world.

Actually, I have a feeling that Graham's arc is dead & gone. They kind of forgot him just after he died & with all important current storylines it would feel a little out of place for the writes to suddently bring back the issue of his death. Yes, it deserved some closure, but somewhere in the middle of S1. Now I feel they are just going to let Graham rest in peace.

^^ exactly. Not to mention they let the kid go play with dynamite, Gina was the one who stopped him from hurting himself with that stunt.

Just because graham liked emma more maybe cause she has a heart doesnt mean he had to kill him that is like someone just killing a person cause they like someone else
I love regina but that was awful

Let him play with dynamite? Yeah they just said "go ahead and play with a dangerous weapon". Emma has disciplined Henry before. Also David has too, he kept telling him not to do dangerous things and to go to school. I haven't seen any situation where he directly misbehaves in front of them. Also the back talk is normal for a human being, not just kids.

Apparently Regina's done much more than just be strict, especially since the kid is in therapy. Take it from someone who's actually in therapy that it takes something strong and serious emotional trouble to be put in therapy, it's not just from her being strict. You also can't say that it's the whole fairy-tale characters thing because he was in therapy even before he got the book. According to Mary-Margret, he was very unhappy, until Emma came along. So far from where I stand Emma is a much more suited parent than Regina, Emma has made one mistake (not telling the truth about his father) and Regina has made several.

Anyway despite how I hate Regina and her parenting skills I do believe she is Henry's mother but Emma is just as much his mother too. Everyone, including them, has to accept that. I hate when some fans say one of them isn't his mother, I was even tempted to say that about Regina during season 1 because of how many times she's said that to Emma. But the sad fact is they're both his mothers.

Why is it that, with the exception of a few times, Gina was able to keep him from doing dangerous things like that, and he always manages to slip past the others and get away with it?

He was in therapy because he believed in her curse not because she caused him emotional distress. But that is what is for, we don't know if he already believed in it before he got the book or not. But if you insist that it's not just the book; perhapse he was in therapy because his real mom abandoned him and he needed help copeing? Of course being abandoned by one's mom would hurt a kid.

I do agree that they are both his parents but I do think Gina is better at it; she raised him for ten years and he turned out to be a good kid.

As someone who has worked it situations where I have had to call CPS on parents I have yet to see anything (other then her criminal history of course) that would deem Gina an unfit parent. If Henry was unhappy Gina's parenting skills were not at fault, more likely it was the fact that he was living in a world where no one grew older and everyone did the same thing every day.

I'm not saying Emma is a bad parent either (I've seen far worse) but the fact that she has on several occasions encouraged his truancy, shuffles him around between her parents, her friends and her exboyfriend when ever she cant take care of him as well as their living conditions (Where does that kid sleep in that tiny loft? All I've seen is that one bed) if the case was put before a custody court Gina would surely be chosen as the more stable environment even if she wasn't already his legal guardian . (This is however not taking in to account her unrealated crimes. I agree that once those came to light they would have rewarded custody to the nearest suitable parent.) What I'm trying to say is despite all her other faults Gina is not a bad parent.

Anyway we've gotten way of topic. This pick isn't about weather Gina is worthy of Henry it is about whether she should be punished for Graham's death.

Lol we did go way off topic.

Well it ain't the first time we've gone off topic lol

Not again!! Get over it guys.....Or at least say the truth. Emma can do nothing to Regina...

Not so much Emma "kicking her butt" but I did want for Regina's crimes against Graham to be revealed/remembered. I've come across one fanfiction where they meet him in the Underworld in 5B and Regina ends up sacrificing her magic to enable him to move on because she now regrets her actions - I thought that was good closure.