I don't think it was quite as bad as he did but he had a lot of good points.

i didn't see any good points in there. hell, i wouldn't call that a review, cause it's not. he hated it cause of the animation and the fact that Lilly was only in it for the first 15 minutes. that's no excuse to hate the movie.

The guy's a good critic, but I don't really agree with his reviews of the A&O movies tbh.

i don't think hes good correction: he's a atrocious critic! i keep yawning and struggling to stay awake whenever i watch a review from him. and his jokes are terrible, they never make me laugh.

i don't think any of his alpha and omega are good why does evryone beside the pepole on this club hate alpha and omega

I think the closest of his reviews of the movies that I sort of agree with is of the third movie. But even then...

Just reading the comments before mine about it...I don't really care to read the review. I have a gut feeling my opinion greatly differs from his already.

he also call the writing of the movie "absolutely criminal" and the characters "god awful". how?! just how?! they were so well-developed, we had 2 backstories in the movie, but clearly that's not enough for him. he does this cause he loves pissing us off.

Yeah the name of the mountain could have been better but other then that I don't agree with him.

No I don't agree it was the best of the sequels

It really was the best of the sequels.

I really don't get why you guys are so obsessed with this critic. If you hate his opinions so much just don't watch his videos. He has every right to his opinion especially if he's watched the movie and analyzed it enough to give it a thorough review. Again, if it offends you so much just don't watch it.

Reason why I picked yeah, was because he did make some good points. But I don't hate the movie. You need to make some better choices across the board such as "Meh" or "Yeah, he made a few good points." Instead of it being the complete opposite lol

U make a point but I'm not obsessed with his opinion and shit. I just don't agree with him. He is looking to hard at shit. A movie is made for entertainment. So no need to think to hard on shit or look for problems in the movie. Just site back and relax and in joy it

But thats my point, if he wants to look hard, let him. Some people enjoy doing that with film and art. Film is actually a form of art just so you know.

Amen Jett.

Well u make a good point. Can't really argue with that lol

Thanks. I'm an artsy kind of guy, and I like to look at things pretty deeply too. So we both are similar I guess XD.

At least he doesn't know about 6,7 and 8 movie

Yet......:p

The sequel was awful, although not as bad as The Great Wolf Games. The worst part is comparing it to the original, which was a good movie, in my opinion. The A&O franchise keeps going downhill with every sequel. Too bad they can't seem to recapture the beauty and simplicity of the first movie.

@RavenFoxAudio how's A&O 4 bad?

@TimberHumphrey

-the pups (yet again) NEVER AGE, which is especially bad in this movie since one of the underlying themes is the pups growing up

-Lily takes the omega pups into a haunted forest when there's no reason for her to do so. Remember, omegas don't hunt (according to the first movie.)

-Shadow Forest is described as being teeming with life, but it's a wasteland.

-Runt CLIMBS A TREE (um, wolves don't do that) to take a look at the bad weather; what does he expect to FIND??

-Runt falls down the tree and doesn't suffer any kind of injury at all

-Runt is observed as being "as pale as a coyote", except that his color hasn't changed at all. There were much more logical and appropriate ways to have shown him to be shaken up

-Tony looks significantly older than the alpha pups he shares the same alpha school class with

-Runt goes back to Shadow Forest with his siblings and almost gets Stinky killed, and Kate doesn't even TRY to punish him for his reckless actions (he doesn't even feel any GUILT about it!) As a mom, I can tell you that this is a TERRIBLE example to set for children. Actions have consequences and dangerous behavior has to be addressed for the safety of your child!

-Rabbit Poo Mountain was mentioned in the first movie as a joke. It's not the name of a real place, but the writers apparently forgot that for this sequel. People talk about going to "The Big Apple," but the NAME of the place is New York City.

-Runt leads Daira to Rabbit Poo Mountain when it's never established that he would know where that is

-Daria establishes her heightened senses that she developed to compensate for her blindness, but then she can't hear a car coming until it's right on top of her

-Kate and Humphrey are supposed to be the main characters, but they're humiliated by a couple of porcupines for no reason at all

-Kate and Humphrey don't show the slightest bit of irritation for their son sneaking out in the middle of the night and getting into danger. Please see my parenting tip above.

-the leader of Daria's pack is named King; what is the point of naming him King when there was ALREADY a pack leader named King in A&O2?

-it's about a day's journey from Rabbit Poo Mountain to Shadow Forest, and Daria never noticed her pack following her until she was almost back to her cave; why didn't she notice them before with her allegedly heightened senses? Why didn't the OTHER wolves notices them with their NOT heightened senses?

-the ghost wolf takes King away because he was a threat to Daria's life, but it doesn't do that with anyone else who encroached on Daria

I could go on, but just watch the review for a more complete assessment.

@RavenFoxAudio i don't wanna sound mean, but i literally couldn't stop facepalming while i was reading that comment

@TimberHumphrey Constant facepalming must have made it difficult to read. You asked a question, I answered. If you couldn't think of anything to say to logically dispute the points I made, I guess that reply was the best you could do. :-/

The reason why the pups doesn't grow up is because in real life they age slowly

Also king wasn't in it that was just a different bad guy

His name isn't king

It Ridley

Another thing some wolves can climbed trees if want you prove I will show you a picture

I think you one of bobsheaux minions

@Wolfire14:

"I think you one of bobsheaux minions"

I'm not his 'minion,' I'm his girlfriend. He doesn't have minions. LOL I'm also a fan of the first movie, like I said before. He said the first movie was "okay," but I actually liked it. We don't agree on everything. (I also loved Maleficent, which he hated.) But on the A&O sequels, we DO agree. It's hard not to when I've watched them myself and seen all the plot holes, accidental silliness and terrible artwork. In any case, I have just as much right to my opinion as you do to yours.

How am I his minion I don't even like his channel at all all he does is complain in every review

@Wolfire14

What are you talking about?

@RavenFoxAudio why did i facepalm? cause you CLEARLY have no idea how to review a movie. all you do is just bitch about the nitpicks and completely ignore all the character development, the darker tone, the action scenes, the acting, the characters (both old and new) etc. say whatever the hell you want, but that's definitely NOT a review. a review's where you express your opinion on the movie and touch on writing, acting, characters etc., and let people know if it's good or not. but again, you just complain about the smallest stuff in the movie, and those tiny stuff are NEVER enough to destroy the movie. make sure you go and tell bob that, cause he clearly has no idea of reviewing a movie either.

i repeat: saying a movie's terrible just by looking at the nitpicks is NOT A FUCKING REVIEW!!! get that right! if you think the sequels are god awful, then i'd like to see you and bob do better. also, if you're REALLY bob's girlfriend, how come it doesn't look like you two live in the same house? we never see or hear you in ANY of his reviews, never! or is this just a sketch or a rp so both of you can get noticed on the internet?

@TimberHumphrey: You asked me why A&O4 was bad and I gave you some examples. I expressed my opinion about the movie in my original comment as well. The points I made show where the writing was shoddy and the characters were poorly developed. As for your beef with Bobsheaux, you rabidly troll his YouTube page enough that I don't need to tell him anything.

I don't have to "do better" than the A&O franchise to have an opinion about it. You aren't making movies to rival the Swan Princess franchise, are you? You complain enough about that one, nitpicking over every sequel. But as I've stated before on YouTube, you are under the mistaken impression that only you are allowed to have an opinion and to express that opinion. That's very hypocritical.

As for the garbage about whether I'm real or really his girlfriend, I already told you to check out MY YouTube channel if you're all that curious. I've also done voice work in three of his videos so far. In fact, every one of your accusations have been addressed over and over on YouTube and Google+. You spit vitriol and attack anyone with an opinion different than yours and when they reply, you completely ignore any points they've made and call them names like a 3rd grader.

On Bobsheaux's DeviantArt page, I saw a comment from someone a while back about you. They told Bob not to pay any attention to you because you make ALL fans of A&O look bad. I have to agree with that person. The majority of people who like these movies don't FOAM AT THE MOUTH when someone doesn't share their opinion.

Oh ok then the reason why Alpha and omega 2 wasn't good because they had hard time to do things since Steve moree and Ben Gluck quit to making it in theaters because Steve mess it up on the computer for releasing in DVD instead on theater so then Richard rich replace them as director and Tom Kane as the writer then the old voice actors quit or something then there the new one then the fans wanted to release already so they made it fast not knowing what to do so they try there best

That happened to 3rd one has well they didn't know how to make movie better

Then there 4th one they figured it how to work the things and stuff made a comeback for some people

Then finally 5th movie it was good for everyone but some parts are missing even the ending because in Mexico they banned endings so probably they might added more

Then there 6,7 and 8 Richard rich is teaming with another company so probably it will make the even better movie than 1st and 4th one crossing fingers for 9 and 10 to be confirmed

If you don't agree with this then that your opinion the whole world liked the movie sure there haters but not that much there probably 30 or 50% of haters out there

People have different opinions about movies and stuff

If fans want more they get more

Alpha and omega 2 a howl-iday adventure was 1 out of 5

Alpha and omega 3 the great wolf games is 3 out of 5 for some werid reason

Then finally there alpha and omega 4 the legend of the sawtooth cave was 3 out of 5

@Wolfire14

"The reason why the pups doesn't grow up is because in real life they age slowly"

No they don't. The period of time where the pups starting to play outside of the den and meeting the other pack members lasts about 3 weeks. Then, they start joining in on hunts and exploring alone. That period lasts 12 weeks. They reach sexual maturity at about 1 year of age. I only broke that down for you because you said 'in real life.' In real life, Claudette, Runt and Stinky would already be adults. You are incorrect.

In terms of the movie, in the first A&O, Kate and Humphrey are shown to go from adolescents to adults in ONE SEASON. Kate goes to Alpha school and comes back an adult. The pups have already attended at least one session of alpha school but they still haven't aged. Plus, one of the THEMES of the movie is the fact that the pups are growing up, but the animation never reflects that. They stay little and deformed (seriously, their legs are too short and their heads are too big. Don't even get me started on the lack of a lower jaw. That's just CREEPY.)

"Then there 6,7 and 8 Richard rich is teaming with another company so probably it will make the even better movie than 1st and 4th one crossing fingers for 9 and 10 to be confirmed"

I am truly hopeful that the team up of Crest and Splash Entertainment will result in better sequels in the future, ones that will be an homage instead of an embarrassment to the original A&O.

Audio you clearly don't get what a cartoon/animation is. It's not supposed to be completely real :/ key word "Animation" so yea :/

And to think the movie is horrible just because it's not like real life is pointless. Are you going to bitch about them being able to talk next😒?
Oh and by a way movies like this is what comes from having a imagination. Something u and ur "bf" clearly don't have.

@Audio

-the pups (yet again) NEVER AGE, which is especially bad in this movie since one of the underlying themes is the pups growing up

Answer to that is the fact it focuses there age trades younger viewers.

Lily takes the omega pups into a haunted forest when there's no reason for her to do so. Remember, omegas don't hunt (according to the first movie.)

They where exploring it not hunting. And plus maybe the pups just wanted to tag along?


-Shadow Forest is described as being teeming with life, but it's a wasteland

Diddint seem like it to me. And if it did maybe it was like that to go along with Haunted part.


-Runt CLIMBS A TREE (um, wolves don't do that) to take a look at the bad weather; what does he expect to FIND??

Again. It's called imagination. Also last time I checked the movie wasn't animation not a real life show .


-Runt falls down the tree and doesn't suffer any kind of injury at all

Again an animated show not real life


-Runt is observed as being "as pale as a coyote", except that his color hasn't changed at all. There were much more logical and appropriate ways to have shown him to be shaken up

The fact that you didn't understand that is pathetic. It's a saying. Just because it said it doesn't mean he is actually as pale as a coyote, just that he saw something that scared the crap out of him



-Tony looks significantly older than the alpha pups he shares the same alpha school class with

Well I do have to agree with that


-Runt goes back to Shadow Forest with his siblings and almost gets Stinky killed, and Kate doesn't even TRY to punish him for his reckless actions (he doesn't even feel any GUILT about it!) As a mom, I can tell you that this is a TERRIBLE example to set for children. Actions have consequences and dangerous behavior has to be addressed for the safety of your child!

I will agree with this one too because as u said it should be addressed.





-Rabbit Poo Mountain was mentioned in the first movie as a joke. It's not the name of a real place, but the writers apparently forgot that for this sequel. People talk about going to "The Big Apple," but the NAME of the place is New York City.

Again agree with.




-Runt leads Daira to Rabbit Poo Mountain when it's never established that he would know where that is

Last time I checked he said he knew where that was.




-Daria establishes her heightened senses that she developed to compensate for her blindness, but then she can't hear a car coming until it's right on top of her

I agree with that too


-Kate and Humphrey are supposed to be the main characters, but they're humiliated by a couple of porcupines for no reason at all

Okay you're going to have to tell me what the hell does them being humiliated have to do with them being the main characters 😡




-Kate and Humphrey don't show the slightest bit of irritation for their son sneaking out in the middle of the night and getting into danger. Please see my parenting tip above.

Use common sense they were too worried about his safety to be mad. And when it ended it were happy that he was okay and not harmed.





-the leader of Daria's pack is named King; what is the point of naming him King when there was ALREADY a pack leader named King in A&O2?

His name wasn't king it was head wolf. Look at the credits


-it's about a day's journey from Rabbit Poo Mountain to Shadow Forest, and Daria never noticed her pack following her until she was almost back to her cave; why didn't she notice them before with her allegedly heightened senses? Why didn't the OTHER wolves notices them with their NOT heightened senses?

He act like because she's blind she has super wolf hearing but she doesn't 😡




-the ghost wolf takes King away because he was a threat to Daria's life, but it doesn't do that with anyone else who encroached on Daria.

Maybe she is trapped there duh! Or maybe they where forced to do has he said. Just saying 😤

Not trying to start fight just answering those "problems" with the movie

Cartoons do not have to be true to life. I agree with you completely. Most of my objections to the A&O sequels is the lack of continuity between them and the original movie. As I've said, I enjoyed the first movie (so did my kids) but it is as though the writers/director of the sequels didn't even watch the first one! So many inconsistencies make them difficult to enjoy. Again, this is my opinion. No one has to share it. I'm not attacking anyone for their opinion either.

Oh and by the way, I make my living using my imagination. I've been interviewed by three major news publications and did an interview on NPR's The Takeaway about my job. Bobsheaux has almost 4K subscribers and is getting new ones each day. He recently did a story arc for his Star Wars theme month, including some phenomenal special effects that he was able to accomplish without a green screen, that spanned seven separate videos. It was amazing! Clearly, our imagination isn't to blame for the low quality of the A&O sequels. :)

To clarify, I am totally fine with the points you countered. Our opinions are different...so be it. You think I'm wrong in some areas, I think you're wrong in some areas. As a fellow southerner, you can appreciate the fact that I'm not gonna "have a hissy fit" about a difference of opinion. ;)

However, when you insult my imagination or put quotes around bf, that is definitely trying to pick a fight. I assume you put quotes around bf to indicate that you don't think we're dating (I could be wrong here...TimberHumphrey can't seem to get the fact that I'm a real person and that I'm dating Bobsheaux just because he and I don't live together **eyeroll*) TH trolls Bobsheaux with personal attacks, name-calling and threats. He's jumped on me for defending my boyfriend. These are things I take personally. They are unnecessary and, quite frankly, give other fans of the movie a very bad name.

well my opinion (god Ik I'm going have my head bit off for having a opinion
) but i find yall both right and wrong. But I am a huge fan of Alpha and omega. (even though I actually hate the third movie

I'm Not Going To But Your Head Off lol. And Ugh As Much As I Hate To Say It. You Are Right Audio. Sorry if I Offended You

@ShadowCodeX17: No biting from me either.

@ClaireDawnWolf: Thank you for that. You're clearly one of those REASONABLE A&O fans. :) We can debate the merits of the movies all day long, but we don't have to devolve into childish name-calling.

I Don't Do Name Calling. I'm Not Childish Worrys

Some people can sit in front of their computers debated, name calling or whatever you guys do, but it won't change the fact that I, along with a lot of other people on this club, love all the movies.

Yes......really yes. That movie was terrible. Awful, terrible.....it sucks.....I like the movie still honestly but the movie just sucks. Now I do I think its the worst sequel of the franchise? Actually no, I think its actually the better sequel out of all the ones out. However doesn't change the fact its still a bad movie.

But who cares if he or anyone else thinks its bad? I mean I think its bad but as I said I still like the movie. Why? Because I just really enjoy the series and honestly just seeing how bad it is in a way makes me like it more. The term, "Its so bad its good" and that's just my OPINION just like its Bobsheaux's OPINION or Jerry's OPINION. Who's Jerry you may ask? I don't know. But maybe some dude named Jerry watched this movie and has an opinion about it. Doesn't make any of us wrong.

To be honest, I only agree with him if he makes good points. But him saying "Runt climbs a tree" for example just because realism wolves don't do that is not a fair point because in the second movie, they already pointed that out in the second sequel and wanted to have something special about their personality.
They are not supposed to be boring realism, it's a 'Disney' (kinda) inspired film in a similar manner to 'All Dogs go to Heaven'. It sound really wrong to say "All animal movies must be like RL" to be "good".

Bob makes an interesting point about the title of the forth movie, and a very good point about the plot hole they did with that rabid poo mountain. But if he brings out an intention, then I can judge back and say he's wrong about it. Same to a critic if they did the same thing.

I do not agree the forth is bad because as a low production company, it doesn't need to be Pixar in order to be 'good enough'. It's like there are people who make super low graphic video game mods for other people (N64 mods) and it's fine as it is. However, the forth was my least favorite but I need to separated my own biases sometimes if I needed to critique something.

Well saying saying Runt shouldn't climb trees is a fair point because that's just how he reviews movies. Those are the points he hits and he can say how he feels about it. So him giving his opinion is very fair.

I wouldn't say that I don't completely agree but he makes some points but it's still the best of all the sequels

Just because "he reviews" doesn't automatically make it a good point. He could still be bring out as unfair if he brings that part out. It doesn't matter who the person is, it's just the point of 'arguing a critic' or a 'non-critic'. Arguing critics does exist and they were still opinions, but you can still judge back if you wanted to.

And I was talking about the judgement thing. I've heard you can argue someone's opinion if it's used as a 'judgement' critique attempt or some other kind of judgement. If he simply says, it's not his kind of fantasy, then that's another story. XD

I didn't say it's a good point because he reviewed it. -_- he made get point on some false the movie had. Now most of them where as far as I'm concern miner problem. Now like the runt claiming the tree. I don't see why that's a problem seeing that it's a animation. In a animation anything can happen. And fact I like that he can Climb a tree. It's cool! And it makes him unique.

Umm I think I was talking to someone else instead of you Shadow.. Unless you are replying to Met, then sorry for this comment then. XD